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History of the Necronomicon 2 Years, 3 Months ago Karma: -2  
This thread discusses the Content article: History of the Necronomicon

well for a work of fiction this book has some detailed info on it. of course its fictional. but couldn't it be possible that such a book exist? my thought is; it does but in the hearts of men. and like all sacred texts and mythologcal stories. the elder gods and the old ones symbolises the things within man's soul. both good and evil; light and dark. things that need to be address if man is to rise to another level of being. this is what these stories are about. and the necronomicon.
 
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Re:History of the Necronomicon 1 Year, 3 Months ago Karma: 0  
Over the years I have read many books that revolve around The Necronomicon. I have listened to many skeptics and believers, and heard many opinions. Yet, I have not heard a single person question the skeptical mind. Is it possible that the contents in this book frighten people so much that they have to make others believe it is fiction in order to simply deal with it themselves. Also, if it is in fact a work of fiction how was it that Lovecraft was able in exact and accurate detail describe the city of Ubar, in The Nameless City when its remains were not uncovered until many years after his death by the archaeologist Juris Zarins. I am open to anyone who has an intelligent retort, and if my facts are misleading or have been mislead due to misinformation please let me know. I am very fascinated by the history of lost cities and that is part of my fascination with The Necronomicon.
 
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Re:History of the Necronomicon 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
Hmm. I don't believe the match in detail between "Ubar" and Lovecraft's "Nameless City" was as exact as you think. (Heck, right there we have a significant mismatch -- if it was called "Ubar" it was hardly "nameless, was it?) What could be happening here is a classic example of circular storytelling.

In ancient times a city rises along the Frankincense trade routes called "Irem" or "Iram" in the region known as "Ubar." This city becomes wealthy but then disappears for some unknown reason (unknown to the colloquials, certainly), and is later discovered to be mostly or partially buried in the sand, with all the people fled.

Several hundred years later, Mohammed, the Prophet mentions the City ("Iram of the many pillars" in his Quran. Most modern people reading the Quran are unfamiliar with the city and believe it to be made up entirely as a moral lesson -- and probably to be the root of the legends about a lost city in Southern Arabia.

Over the next several hundred years, various tales, tall and otherwise, from the vast realm of Islam are accumulated in a book known variously as the "1001 Nights," or "The Thousand Nights," or "The Thousand Nights and a Night." Among these tales is one called "The City of Brass" which recounts stories of a lost city in the desert of southern Arabia -- stories that, like all the others in the book, have floated around Arabia for centuries....

HPL reads The 1001 Nights (and becomes literally enthralled by it, memorizing vast sections of it and even creating a false persona for himself -- coincidentally named "Abdul Alhazred".

Later he decides to write a story entitled "The Nameless City" which he describes in terms similar to those found in a story in The 1001 Nights called "The City of Brass."

1400 years after Mohammed mentioned it in the Quran, a lost city in Syria, Ebla by name, is excavated and numerous account tablets found therein list the city of Iram as a trading partner. Suddenly there is a real possibility that the city actually existed.

In the 1980s a group of scientists, fascinated by the possibility such a city could exist, use satellite imagery to discover ancient camel caravan routes in southern Arabia, determining where they intersect (which is a good indication there was water in that location, and which in turn might indicate a city or town was built there). Using this imagery they eventually explore a site in Yemen (on the southern end of the Arabian peninsula) which they discover to have at least been a powerful fort thanks to a vast, naturally occurring limestone cavern which served to store large quantities of water. Overuse of this water led to the limestone drying out, becoming brittle, and eventually collapsing the city or fort onto itself and subsiding into the cavern -- thus burying the wells and water for centuries, and, coincidentally giving rise to legends of a "city" swallowed by the sands of the desert -- doubtless in response to some hideous sin, as later recounted by Mohammed in the Quran!

Thus, we see an actual city/town/fort that suffered an unexpected, but natural, disaster, pass into the legends of a region, subsequently picked up by a religious zealot who uses it as an example of what a lack of piety can cause, and which eventually becomes so much a "story" that the whole legend is considered apocryphal by modern scholars (who only find mention of it in a religious text and a book of fairy tales), until they suddenly discover that the city mentioned in the religious book was quite real, and then find a locality that both seems to match the description and offers a logical explanation of how the legend began....

Does that make the Necronomicon real? Alas, in all of this there is no mention of the book, except by Lovecraft. All in all, I'd say you won't find a "real" Necronomicon (or Al-Azif, either) anytime soon. But then, perhaps I've got it all wrong, and Nyarlathotep DID destroy Irem of the Many Pillars and cast the City of Brass into the sands....
 
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Re:History of the Necronomicon 2 Days, 2 Hours ago Karma: 0  
While it may be fictional or not, I'd like to keep an open mind. Despite the great possibility of it being fictional, this information is quite intriguing to read. Finding a "copy" of the Necronomicon would definitely be an impressive find.
 
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Re:History of the Necronomicon 2 Days, 2 Hours ago Karma: 1  
Amen to an open mind; however, if you don't mind, I think I'll continue to not believe in it. Anymore than I believe I can find Arkham on a map of Massachusetts or enroll for advanced studies at Miskatonic University. In point of fact, if I applied the logic you use above to the subject, I would have a far greater chance of actually moving to Arkham, since, after all, HPL mentioned it hundreds of times in his work (far more than he did the Necronomicon, when all's said and done).

No, I'm sorry, but I just don't think you'll find a hidden copy of the Necronomicon (or the Cultes des Ghoules for that matter) in any secret stacks anywhere in the world. At least, not until you can visit the stacks of the Miskatonic Library, or perhaps Celeano....
 
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Re:History of the Necronomicon 2 Days ago Karma: 0  
I agree. Yeah in the back of my mind I know it's not real, but it's an interesting thing. I haven't read enough to know, but where does HPL say that Arkham is located?
 
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